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Guy Clayton is a highly accomplished wealth manager based in Austin, Texas. He draws from a rich banking background, a history that includes being, at the time, the youngest board member ever in a state-chartered bank in Texas. Guy specializes in providing financial guidance to professional athletes, coaches, corporate executives, and business owners, helping them navigate the complexities of wealth management. His remarkable success in building a thriving practice can be attributed to his exceptional interpersonal skills and his ability to foster genuine trust and friendship with his clients.

During his time as a benchwarmer for the Texas Tech Men's basketball team, Guy had a unique "front-row seat" experience, being part of a team that made an unforgettable appearance in the March Madness tournament.

 

 

In this episode, Steve and Guy discuss:

  • The Role of Humor in Professional Relationships
  • Cultivating Genuine Relationships in Wealth Management
  • Importance of Curiosity and Effective Question-Asking 
  • Being a Connector
  • The Power of Connection

 

Key Takeaways:

  • Discover the significant role humor plays in forging powerful professional relationships
  • Realize the invaluable benefits of cultivating genuine relationships in the realm of wealth management
  • Understand the importance of curiosity and effective question-asking in understanding your clients' needs
  • Ascertain why the wealth management sector requires a long-term relationship approach compared to other industries
  • Learn about the transformative power of authentic connections in both personal and professional life

 

“Being in the people business is just kind of really what I am. Even if it's not, what do you do for a living? But just as you come in contact with people throughout life... be the most interested guy in the room.” -
Guy Clayton

 

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Guy Clayton - The Art of Being a Connector

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to The Insight Interviews- Powered by REWIRE. This is your host, Steve Scanlon. You know, as I come into these interviews, I really turn on my radio voice and I noticed that just now. See awareness. I don't usually talk like that. So anyway, today I have a special guest, someone that I have been around for many, many years. I consider him a really great friend. I think it's someone we're all going to learn a great deal from. And so, insight interview world. Say hello to my good friend and buddy, Guy Clayton. Guy, welcome to the inside interview world.

Dude, what a treat. The inside interviews. I'm excited. Thanks for having me. And am I really a special guest or is everybody a special guest?

You know, I say that. One day I'm going to say like, hey, I've got kind of a mediocre guest today and it's probably going to be just sort of whatever today and no, I would never say that. You are a special guest.

Thank you.

You are a special guest. So, Guy, we're going to get to hear a little bit about you and where you live and what you do and where you're from and why on earth anyone would think that they could have some insights as a result of listening to you, which I'm sure you have questions about. And we're going to get to hear that from you, Before we do, I always like to kick off in a sort of positive way that's very coaching like of us, but in just a really positive way on this day. We don't want to timestamp this. We never know when we're going to get it out there, but on this fall day of 2023, how about that? I want to know what you're grateful for. What are you grateful for?       
 

Well, funny you should mention that. I had a good prayer time this morning where I actually went through some gratitudes and it started with just a great family and I got to see them last week. It's my birthday, big five two. So, I went out to Lubbock, Texas, and got to see my kids and do my traditional, I think, Steve, you know me well enough, my traditional Red Lobster birthday. I haven't missed one in, it's probably been 40 something years. I've hit Red Lobster every year on my birthday, so I got to spend it with my kids in Lubbock. There is a Red Lobster in Lubbock, Texas, strangely enough, and we found it. So great wife, great kids, just great family, extended family, and my health are kind of the ones that were at the top of the list. That's what bubbled to the top of the list this morning.

That's awesome. I got a lot of questions about why Red Lobster? Again, nothing wrong with that franchise, don't get me wrong, but sure is an odd choice for an annual tradition.

Yeah. I don't know if you even know this story, but I came close to being the national spokesperson for Red Lobster indirectly. My brother, they had this bottomless shrimp. Campaign, and they said, we're looking for a national spokesperson. My brother knew that I would never sign up for it, so he went and signed me up for it. And next thing you know, I'm talking to the director and then the assistant director, and then I go all the way down the final, and they picked another guy. I cut down to the last two guys, and I didn't make it. So, some other guy out there loves Red Lobster more than I do, but I've been going for 40 something years, and I always make him sing the Red Lobster birthday song to me, which is different than your regular Happy Birthday song, but it's kind of goofy. But at this point, you just can't break tradition. After probably 44 years or so.

I think you reach back out to him and go, I'm still your guy. And by the way, that other guy that made it, he's not as loyal as I am. And so, what are we doing over here?

Right? I was imagining free cheese, bread and crab legs for life just for being a spokesperson but hadn't come together yet. Maybe sometime, maybe next year.

That's fantastic. Well, you've already given us your age and that little nuanced fact about you, Guy, as always, people that we bring onto the show, it'd just be so cool if just again, without going in too deep, don't start in, like, second grade or anything like that, but give us life and times of Guy Clayton. Who are you? Give us your best shot at curriculum vitae, Guy Clayton.

Wow. It seems a little weird telling you this because I've known you for over 20 years and you know my life story, but for the crowd, for the inside interview crowd, I've been in the kind of the financial world forever. My dad was in banking, so I kind of went to work with him when I was in high school. I started as a teller at his bank and the summers was there, and my brother and I used to work in the bank, cashing checks and doing our thing and went off to college at Texas Tech, got my degree in finance and got out of there. Came straight back into the banking business and then kind of worked our way up the food chain there and eventually ended up on the wealth management side of the business. And so, yeah, I've had a nice. Career on the wealth management side and still having fun doing what I do every day. But, yeah, great family. I got two kids that are both at Texas Tech now and wife Jamie. Who just had our 25 year wedding anniversary the other day. So that was a big milestone that. She put up with me that long. That's a woman's, a saint, but no, great. Everything's wonderful. And that's kind of the quick ten second version.

Well, given that I do know your story, I can't even believe you left out playing basketball for the Red Raiders. Come on.        

Oh, yeah, being a bench warmer for four years, that was great. It's a great story. And then my son is playing college basketball or was up until this year. He was at University of Texas, Arlington. Now he's transferred to Texas Tech. So, yeah, keeping it in the family. And dad was a college athlete, played tennis at TCU. So, yeah, it's been fun.        

That's a great Guy. Well, I think one of the reasons I think I talked to you a little bit about this, most of the guests that we have on here, Guy, they do what you did. You called me earlier and you're like, hey, what kind of questions are we going to have? And I literally try to come into these things- I certainly have some idea, especially with people like you who I know pretty well. I've interviewed some folks, Guy, that I don't know him from Adam, and maybe I got to do a little more planning and preparation there. But I have known you for many years, and I think one of the things that I was hoping that had come out in the show was just kind of the manner in which you do relationships in people. You and I were talking about that earlier. I know that's a strange thing to ask you, because you are you, but generally speaking, when you think about your role as in business now or your role as a dad, a friend, whatever, me telling you, I'd love to have you on the podcast and saying that, I don't know, what comes to your mind with regard to just how you view people, how you think of relationships, and how you go about integrating those relationships into every part of your life.

Good question. I guess I think right off the bat, I'm just kind of a people person, and I love being around people, and people that make me laugh. And you and I have joked about how when you meet somebody- in fact here's a good story. I was on the school board at our Lake Travis school district years ago. For twelve years, my whole entire run my kids had from kindergarten through senior year, I served on the school board as a trustee and so I got on the subcommittee a couple of different times to help us find a new superintendent. But the one maybe two superintendents ago, he still laughs about it, but we first came in the meeting, I told him, well I told him after the fact, I said after we hired this guy because he came in with a quick joke right off the bat and to this day we laugh about it, but I said if somebody doesn't make me laugh in the first 30 seconds, then I don't think they're going to get the job. That was kind of my litmus test for who we're going to hire, at least how we're going to make the first cut. If they don't make me laugh with a quick something right off the bat, then they're never going to fit in here. We can't have ‘em.        
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That's a lot of pressure even on our show. Like oh man, have I made Guy laugh yet? I better come up with something good, right?

Well, like we've always said, you and I have laughed at Seinfeld is kind of a show that you and I both quote from all the time. And I've always said, hey, if somebody is not a fan of the show Seinfeld, I can't really be friends with them. I mean, they might be a nice person, they may be a great guy, but we're never going to be really close if they can't quote Seinfeld and laugh about it. I'm kind of getting that way with the movie The Hangover too. I've got my son's all into it. Now we can quote every line of the entire Hangover trilogy.        
            

Well now there's all kinds of people on the listening to this episode going how old were your kids when you exposed them to that movie? Because there's some rather inappropriate parts of that movie. We digress.

 But no, I think just I love being around people. Back to your original question, I love just being around people and kind of in the career that I've chosen, you get to meet a lot of different people. And on the wealth management side, it's super interesting to see how many people make money in so many different careers. And I'm just fascinated by it. And so, I just love asking questions and getting to know them and learning their stories. And part of what I like about it is years ago we had a mortgage company and I was in the mortgage business like a lot of the guys that you'd worked with at Rewire originally, and so a lot of those are somewhat more so than the wealth management side- a little bit more transactional. You do the loan for them, and hopefully you see them in a few more years when they're ready to move or refinance or whatever. But, on the wealth management side, it's an ongoing relationship that you're meeting, you're having strategy sessions regularly and talk about where are we going? What's important in your life? How are we progressing with the plan? It's more of an ongoing relationship, which I love. That's kind of one of the things I like best about my job is. Just getting to a grow old with our clients.

Guy, that's so awesome. Look, we're going to come back to the let's make Guy laugh, and we'll have some fun together, you and I. I don't know, maybe that's what this podcast will be about. We'll just crack people up. I don't know. Or maybe you and I will just laugh and that'll be-who cares about the listeners? But we had a blast, right? We're going to come back to that. But see, this is what happens. You just said something, and I'm like, okay, got a question for you. You've had this bird's eye view. You've got a degree in finance, you've been in and around finance for a lot of years on all sides of it. When you think about just wealth in general, and certainly our show is not about that, we're not doing any kind of advertisements for anybody or anything like that, but when you think about wealth in general - and let's get past the whole, hey, you're wealthy in humanity and character- I get that, we'll talk about that too. Just wealth. What are some of the just characteristics that you've seen in people that accumulate wealth? What are some of those characteristics? You've been around it for so much. Clearly, you've had to have seen some friends, some qualities. What would you say off the bat about that?

That's a really good question, and I have kind of pondered that over the years because they come from so many different backgrounds and different there's been books written about it. But I don't know. I'd say that the people that I kind of resonate with and really tend to kind of hit it off, for lack of a better term, they end up being clients of ours, that we have a great long-term relationship, I like the guys that are kind of under the radar, that aren't flashy in your face, hey, look at me. I've got some super successful guys that you would never know it. I love just even the car they drive. They're in the old F 150 pickup truck, but they're kind of the whole millionaire next door concept. But they've all worked hard. Most of them have either- we've got professional athletes, we've got corporate CEOs, CFOs, but a lot of business owners that have nosed the grindstone for decades, and then they sell their company and have a liquidity event. So, I think hard work, whether it's the pro athlete or the corporate exec that works crazy hours. There's no substitute for just hard work. Good old fashioned hard work. And it could be in any industry. That's the common bond for sure. That jumps out right off the bat.     
   

Yeah, like you said, there's a bunch of books written on this, right? And we live in a world that's like five easy ways to make millions of dollars in three steps. I have often the idea that step one is, yeah, work your butt off for like 30 years, and everyone kind of laughs. And I'm like, well, but that's how most people do it, right? But it's so funny that everybody's looking for a different kind of book and maybe there's just something intuitive to human beings that just wants the faster, easier way, and what I'm hearing you say is you haven't really seen it. Maybe there is. I guess you could get lucky, right? Maybe.

Yeah. Being in Texas, we make the joke, hey, the way to be successful, you wake up early, you work hard and strike oil. That's a little Texas joke. But anyway,

Obviously, I'm in Oregon and I don't know about Texas jokes. What was it? Someone's going to correct me on this. It might be Mark Twain or I forget who it is. Someone's going to call in or I'm going to get a nasty email who said, the harder I work, the luckier I get? It wasn't me. That's all I know. That was someone smarter than me. See, I need to work harder because I'm not even that lucky with that. So, Guy, back to people, I really want to draw this out. You and I again, we've done a lot of work together in some different areas of stuff and I don't know, you're you in this and I totally again, like I said, I get that. This idea, I think your son came to you recently and was talking about popularity and it seems like your son is really learning a lot about people and I'd love to be on a fly on the wall for some of the questions he asks you about relationships and business and how to go about life and how you're answering that to him. So, what is some of that about? What has he asked you lately?        

Yeah, well, that's funny you mentioned that because my daughter too, she's gotten really good in the last year or so. They're in college now and I can remember-I remember when they were seniors in high school. And everybody knows, like in May of your senior year, there's a million little graduation parties, especially having two kids that graduate at the same time. It was double your pleasure. I had every night we're going to some graduation party or send off deal. And I told them I go, hey, guys, every single parent you meet is going to come up and ask you one of two questions: where are you going to college and what are you going to major in? I said, they don't really care. They're just trying to get to know you but have an answer. Nothing worse than the kid that walk out, I don't know what I'm going to do. And just even if you don't know, make something up. Just have a story to tell. And so, they've gotten really good at talking to adults, and I think more so than a lot of the other kids, you see, because we kind of worked on it. I said, be ready for those questions because they're going to hit you. And I was probably that way too, as a kid. I can talk to my mom, I started having breakfast with my mom years ago, every Wednesday morning, and we started this tradition, and we call it BAM. Breakfast at Mimi's. And every Wednesday morning I go have breakfast with her. And she was telling me the other day, she said, Guy, you were a super shy kid up until probably your senior year of high school. And it was kind of like, it was the senior year talent show, I did Hans and Bronze from Saturday Night Live. And then that was kind of my coming out of my shell. And she said, from that moment on, and then, like, a week later, we had the Texas High School basketball All Star game, and so after the game, I was probably one of the lowest recruited guys there. I mean, a lot of these guys are off to Texas and North Carolina and Duke, and then there was me, who was just kind of just glad to be playing in the game. And after the game, we had a big banquet that night at the dinner, each player that had played in the had to go up on stage and tell, hey, my name's Shaquille O'Neill and I'm going to LSU. And all these guys are going up to all these big colleges, and then so I got up there and was like, what am I going to say? And so right before I walked up there, I decided, all right, this is it. So, I got up on stage and I said, hey, my name is Guy Clayton -Lake Travis High School, and I've decided to declare hardship and forego college and go straight to the NBA. And anyway, the crowd liked it a lot. And so that whole night, people were coming up to me, and that was great, man. So, from that, I guess it was the senior talent show and then that little get up on stage in front of all the basketball people, from that day on, I think I kind of just flipped the switch and realized, hey, it's just as easy to be personable as it is to be shy. And that's kind of been my kind of way ever since then. It's just kind of get out, meet people, meet as many as you can. Whoever has the most friends wins. I kind of like that saying.
                                                                                                       
                                                                                                   
"But it's all about just how many people can you connect with, because every single person you meet can teach you something. They all know more than you do about some subject."

So anyway, being the people business is just kind of really what I am.


I think that's just so stinking good. You know, your daughter who's learning, you know. I loved what- you kind of prepped them. They're going to ask you those two questions. I wonder, couldn't we all still get better at that? Doesn't matter what age. How do you answer for, you know, what you do? I'm a realtor. I mean, I do credit Simon Sinek for that, right? I think he said something like that what you do, I don't care what it is, kind of boring. Why you do it? It never is, right? I think that was last time I looked, some 70 some odd million people have watched Simon Sinek's little Ted Talk and it's really powerful. And I've been thinking about that lately. But nobody at a party walks up and says, hi, my name is Steve, you’re Guy. Nice to meet you. Hey, why do you do what you do? We all say, what do you do? And so, we prompt people to say what they do, but you got me thinking, like, I think when someone asks me that, I might tell them what I'm not trying to be evasive, but why do you do that? Why? And that's kind of maybe what you were trying to work with your kids.

Yeah. Even if it's not what do you do for a living, but just as you come in contact with people throughout life. And I'm teaching my kids this all the time. So, it’s just- hey, have something in mind that you can share with them, some funny story you heard on the radio. The weather is boring. Don't be that guy that just talks about the weather. But everybody you meet, you can tell by the shirt they have on there's something that they're going to give-some hint at, something they're into, and you have a way to work them about something, because people like to talk about themselves. They don't want to hear you talk about yourself. And so, I think, Steve, I think you're the one that told me, don't be the most interesting guy in the room. Be the most interested guy in the room. And that's such a good line because it's just so true. People, if you can get them talking about themselves, that they think that you're interesting and really you're not, you're just asking them questions about themselves and letting them talk, and it makes people feel comfortable and let their guard down, and then they'll warm up to you. And people want to they want to have friends, a lot of them, if that's not their default personality, they need somebody to help them warm up to it.

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See, being the most interested guy in the room, I just don't know if it'll sell any Dos Equis. It didn't make for a very good commercial. Right. What would they do? Just a social guy in a chair holding his chin, looking interested.        

You're right. That's how it came up. Whenever I brought you in town for a conference to speak to a bunch of clients, and I got up there and introduced you as the world's most interesting man, like the Dos Equis, and you said, ah, I'd really rather be the most interested guy than the most interesting guy. But you are with all your- I'm like, hey, he speaks five languages. He's been an Olympic diver.

You add to that every time. You're not up to five now. No, I'm working on one man. But yeah, you're right. Well, see, now here's what we've done Guy, is now we're going to reach back out to Red Lobster and create a new campaign for them about the most interested guy in the world. Go to Red Lobster. Become interested.      
            

Yeah. Let's get that going.

I love that you can learn something from everyone. Let me ask you this. What have you learned from your daughter?     

Oh, that's good. I learned from her- she just impresses me more every day as she's gotten older, and she just turned 20 the other day and she's off to college and she's so good at follow through. Like, I know as my coach you've worked with me on hey, follow through on this. Get that system in place. Let's get organized here. She's so organized, so on it, makes me wonder if she's really my daughter. Because she's so on it and she just follows through, gets stuff done. I've just never seen anybody that next thing you know, she's wham, bam, done. Anyway, I've told her that she just blows me away how good she is at just sinking her teeth into it. And getting it across the finish line. She doesn’t postpone, she just slams it.     
   

Thank you for that. That's a good one. How about your wife? That's a really interesting one, you know, we get close to people, obviously our spouse, maybe no one closer to us in the entire world. What have you learned from her lately?   
     

Jamie is awesome. She's probably the one you need to be interviewing on here as far as how to have good relationships, she's the master. Everybody I meet was like, I met your wife the other day. She's unbelievable, we got to get together and she is just the queen of just being out in the community and working the crowd and everybody loves her. But as far as what she's taught me recently, I think, is to be more patient and understanding and less judgmental. I think I used to be, maybe a lot more so, even though I didn't want to admit it, and I've kind of used, thanks to you and Jamie, I've used some metacognition to quote one of your terms to catch myself in the moment being judgmental. And so, I've really made that a focus. And that's all thanks to Jamie, for helping point that out and make me a better person.        

Guy that's awesome. Again, you said something that triggered me about have a lot of friends and do all this. And I sometimes thought, like in business, even personally, when you leave people sometimes, have you ever thought, like, man, I'd just love to go and get a cup of coffee with that guy or get a beer with that person or whoever it is? I'm just, I’m struggling to figure out how to ask you that. I don't know that I've encountered anyone that does that like you do. I just don't know how to go, how do you do that? Because I'm not even sure. Maybe you shouldn't even know that you do that, but it's such an amazing quality, and if you could step aside for yourself for a second and you were going to teach a class on how to really enhance and foster great personal relationships, what would your class be about? What would be some of the things that you would teach?

Well, I think there's some guys I would bring in as guest speakers. You'd be one of them, by the way. You'd probably be the first one. I look back across, like, who have I learned from? My dad was awesome, awesome still, but I remember when I didn't appreciate it growing up. And then when I got out of school and worked with him at the bank, I got to have a front row seat and just watch him kind of just work the crowd, work the people that came in the bank and the customers, and they loved him. And I just sat back and kind of took mental notes. And then the other one that I think of as world class would be my college roommate Chad, who he's one of those guys that you see the way he interacts with people and like, that guy's going to be successful. I knew that back in college, and now he's like one of the top realtors in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. But one of the things he was the master of that, and I've told my kids this, hey, watch greatness. When you see people like Chad or like other friends of yours who are really good, just sit back and watch them and make mental notes of what are they doing. Chad was fantastic at making an instant connection with somebody that he would meet. And the way he would do it was with their high school mascot. He would, I don’t know if he just sat around and had flashcards and studied it and memorized, but he had a gift for knowing every school in Texas, even out of state schools. Like, he met my wife, who's from Evansville, Indiana, and he knew a rival school in town in Evansville. But if you name somebody's high school mascot right off the bat, oh, Guy, you went to Lake Travis, you're a Cavalier. Suddenly they're like, man, I like this guy. He knows my high school mascot. So that's something that I've tried to do over time. It kind of sounds so silly and cheesy, but learn high school mascots because it's a great entrée right off the bat when you meet somebody, boom, hit them with their high school mascot, and then you got a friend for life. That's one thing that I think is kind of endearing when you know something about them but also making connections that people kind of always say, well, Guy, I've lived in this area of Austin called Lakewaid, right outside Austin, for 40 years, probably, and so I just haven't been there so long. I got tons of connections in every field, and I meet somebody new to town, and I always just tell them, hey, if you need a dog walker, or a dentist or just you name it, call me. And they take me up. I get people all the time going, hey, call Guy., you got a guy for? I need an electrician, I need a plumber, I need whatever. 

                                                                                                             
"And so, I kind of like being a connector and also just introducing people even in business settings, hey, you know what? You need to meet- if you can put yourself in their shoes and go, how can I help them with introductions, it always pays itself forward and comes back to you three or four-fold. If you can just get people introduced to the right people that can help them and their career or personally, and everybody's a winner. I just love connecting the dots and getting people connected."

So, I think that's another way that you can kind of build relationships over time, just making strategic connections for them.


Well, this was part of the challenge of having this particular interview, is trying to figure out a way to encapsulate something, because we're trying to help other people have insights. And my hope was that just listening to Guy Clayton, you might have some insights. You just gave me a way to kind of put my finger on something, and I've known this about you for a long time. And by the way, I don't get to put my finger on it. This is a Malcolm Gladwell concept. Malcolm Gladwell. Just wonderful, Sociology. Guy, wrote a bunch of books. One of them was called the Tipping Point, right? This was one of his big books. And in The Tipping Point, he had people that he called connectors. I think he called the others Mavens, which was you're just super good at one thing, and the other people I think he called salespeople, to be honest with you. You are a connector. And I got to say that one of the reasons a guy like Malcolm Gladwell would point that out wouldn't just be know there was so that connecting was some rare thing that you just had biologically. You were born with it and you're a connector. So, my question for you, Guy, again, whether you've ever thought about this yourself, I've taken advantage of that. I needed to call somebody in Texas who needed this or that. And I think of you across the board. You love to connect people. When you do that, that shows that you're interested. I guess my question for you is, can you teach that? Could someone listen to this and go, you know what? I'm going to develop connectorship.        

I think you can. I learned from a guy that one of my friends, Brian Spielas, that's one of the best I've ever seen. He's amazing. And so, I've kind of just watched him over the years and tried to be more like him on the connecting the dots and introducing people. I was talking to my brother-in-law Caleb the other day and he was saying, hey, Guy, I think he kind of gave me a compliment, but. I didn't really think of it as a compliment, but he said, man, you make everybody feel at ease when you meet them. I said, what do you mean? He goes, well, you either give them a nickname or you're high fiving them, or you're chest bumping them or a lot of people just he said, it's kind of a gift. Like when you meet them, you can help them get their guard down and just feel at ease, because what's the old saying? That people don't remember what you said, but they remember how you made them feel. And so, I think just the extent you can, I think that is something that could be taught, just a high five or a smile or give somebody a nickname. George W was the master of that.

You play golf with a guy named Tom and after the second hole you're like Yo T Bone, throw that over here. Yeah, but you do that well. I think we all could do that. I just wonder if it's not a function of awareness.

Yeah, everybody wants a nickname, everybody wants a high five. It just makes you feel part of the group and yeah, that's something everybody can do.        

I thought was cool. Tried it with you. I didn't even know I was going to do that. Hey. Go, Red Raiders. Come on. That had to come up a little bit in your book, just knowing that right?

That's right. The first time we met, yeah, I think we talked about the big dance, how our team played in the NCAA tournament back in 93 and yeah, you knew that.        

And I know enough to not be a longhorn when you're near any kind of Red Raider because there's a real thing with that. Right?

I have to be careful being in Austin with everything. I'm in the belly of the burn orange beast. But yeah, it's tough being a Red Raider when I got aggies a couple hours to the east and right here in the middle of longhorn country. So, it's tough, but we make it work. We're friends with everybody. The Red Raiders, we're not a threat to anybody, so, we’re just friends with everybody.

That's fantastic. That's all I got. Was there something that you hoped I'd ask you today that I didn't.

 I don't know. I just didn't know where you were going to go with it. So, I kind of like this, the free flow.

You and me both.

I'm glad you didn't just give me a list of questions. This is great. It's always fun talking to you and then it really is an honor to be on your podcast. This is great. I've seen a bunch of these and really cool. I'm honored.

There could be people listening. To this and kind of go I think podcasts, especially the kind that we're trying to do, people do like to walk away with insights and maybe that's just one or two or three things. My hope was that just hearing you- I will tell you, and again, I hope to not make you feel overly weird about this, but my kids have met you and my son Dane, to this day asks about you because of how you made him feel. And years and years ago when we were running a race together and Dane was in that band with us, he still asks about you.

Your kids are amazing, that's awesome.

Well, plus, for some reason you have this innate unbelievable ability to catch anything thrown at you on the back of your hand. I don't know if that was something you learned. It's some fraternity, I don't know where, but -

Yeah, my Uncle Randy taught us that one. One day were all sitting around at Thanksgiving dinner. We're all sitting around watching football and somebody threw him the keys and he caught him on the back of his hand, and I was like, whoa, what was that? And he goes he goes, anybody can just catch something, how many people can catch on back of their hand? And so, we spent all day watching The Cowboys game and practicing that. So now I've gotten to where I catch things on the back of my hand at an elite level.

Yeah. And I'm the most interesting man in the world. Like, who does that? You freak. That's so funny. Guy, thank you so much for being on the show. It's awesome to have you go out, make the world feel special like you do. And thanks for being you. World could use more Guy. Clayton's.

Thank you, Steve. So, so cool. Appreciate you having me.

Yeah. And like we say every time at the end of our show, it isn't the insights that Guy has about being the most interested and all these great- it isn't about his insights, and it’s not about mine. What insights did you have about you and where can we grow? We'll see you next time here on The Insight Interviews- Powered by REWIRE

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